只講古典CD, 任何廠都可以 ^_^

ernietse

kl122002 發表於 2015-6-21 08:05
DG / Decca / Philips (早前已被食入 Decca ) 都是UMG選下的公司.   不少的錄音事實出過N次的reissue.  ...

I see, thank you for your sharing.

As we all know, everytime the new recording of first edition will charge the regular premium price (for example: DG/Decca/Philips priced in the 90's HK$100), once the first edition of CD sold by a certain copy numbers or period of time (perhaps break-even point or profit margin achieved), then the reissue of second edition may change the CD cover or even adding  additional tracks to make it fully-occupied the CD 80 minutes storage (priced in 90's HK$75 as the medium price such as DG gallery series), then as time goes by, the third or forth budget price (priced in 90's HK$50 or even $30 if very big box set)  
, remember in the 90's all CD still on own plastic box or maximum 4 cd on double CD box, not like nowadays mostly in paper cover (like computer software cd bag) with paper hardbox to save so many space.


Many collectors insist to own the  first generation of edition claiming the best sound, natural, less MSG, more original less wear and tear master recording, while some critic saying the recording and remaster technology can improve the new release,  japanese SHDCD, blu-ray spec CD, HQCD improving the reability of CD, but EUROPE or USA don't have this kind of high quality CD manufacturing becasue they don't have this technology or this is cheating marketing???
(example: LASERDISC is an uncompressed technology supposing is the best signal preservation, but as we see compression technology is advanced nowadays with BLU-RAY can still achieve relatively higher 1080 resolution, multitracking in serveral layer in a very small CD size to save space and less damaging risk compared to heavy LD)

To me I am open to both original first generation or new-reissue release, depending on the price, priority or preference.


attached is the PHILIPS sampler in the 90's, remember in the past PHILIPS will publish CD catalog annually and need to buy $100 something, but it accompany with CD sampler to promote their new recording

kl122002

ernietse 發表於 2015-6-21 10:11
I see, thank you for your sharing.

As we all know, everytime the new recording of first edition  ...

我聽到不少歐美的都說日本出的CD是snake oil. 日本是玩得最多花巧野的地方方. 以前有24bit, 後繼有 HQCD, SHMCD, blu-spec CD , 唯一例外是SACD.
我自已都覺得有不少都有這情況:  不太好賣的舊錄音加一種技術希望令它們好賣少少. 然而事實走出MK WW 望望, 不少日版錄音都被放在角落等賣. 唯有少量好賣少少的, 如UMG和EMI出的單層SACD .

我推測是唱片公司的出售策略有關. 不少的錄音最先是歐美出, 到最後是慢走到日本. 錄音去到日本出時, 事實不少人都已入手, 自然日本出的CD售出量一定少 (同一只新CD也很少人會入兩次).  既然如此, 日本仔不得不加一些功夫到CD上, 令CD和歐美的對比起來有不同的地方和吸引力.  如比之前Warner Classic 出Maria Callas 的CD 是以沒packing的paper pack, 不過去到日本就變成了有膠盒又有書仔的SACD. 到底好唔好就是真見人見智了. 兩版我都有, 對比聽過還是可圈可點的.

"First Press is the best" 定律, 在我聽過Warner Classic 出Maria Callas, 和Decca 的Mono years 系列中打破了. 聽過Warner Classic 新出的 <卡門>之後才知舊的西德版把Callas 的唱腔有圈舌的感覺, 而Decca 的mono years把同時也有一把聲音tune 回應有的感覺.  

90年代的唱片公司實在太快把CD的價位拉底, 變相令人覺得原來錄音可以好平的同時, 也顯得唱片公司不重視每一個錄音. 然而可笑的是這些珍貴的錄音把唱片公司一次又一次救回和令自已公司變得有價值.  有見及此, 不少知名樂團如BPO, LSO, Mariinsky theatre 都改變了由自己主導出CD. 除了可以在選曲, 品質上有自決性之外, 最重要是可以keep得住錄音的價值, 不必再被傳統唱片公司左右.
另一些以前比較細小的唱片公司的冒起, 如HM, BIS, stockfish,  也令舊的大唱片公司受到了挑戰.

新的電腦格式與起, CD是否必需是一個疑問?  在翻出CD不被討好情況下, 這也是對傳統大唱片公司的一大打擊.
未來的世界, 我自覺CD機不是最便宜便是最高檔次的物品. 而CD本身的進化或者在SACD層面上已到中結位置了. 然而新SACD 會不會大量取代SACD 還是一個疑問.

cwyip

kl122002 發表於 2015-6-21 09:19
近日入手了不少HM CD, 昨天難得有日假, 聽了. 就自已而言, 有數張是值得一入:
1.

非常鐘意睇你寫的碟評 比十個 自己近來聽新錄音都喜歡法國唱片廠 大廠如DGG Decca Emi 新錄音好似無乜值得買咁 無驚喜

kl122002

cwyip 發表於 2015-6-21 14:34
非常鐘意睇你寫的碟評 比十個 自己近來聽新錄音都喜歡法國唱片廠 大廠如DGG Decca Emi 新錄音好 ...

回望一下, 大廠真是好少有找少眾樂器出錄音. 小提琴和鋼琴最多, 但之後的長笛已屈指可數, 單/雙簧管的更少,
現在DGG數是有少少人性, 找了 Avi Avital 以Mandolin出錄音.

現在Warner Classic 在悄悄地翻出之前EMI Japan SACD ,
最新的一張是 Grieg ＆ Schumann: Piano Concertos (WPGS-50136)

Cover 換成了Warner Classic label . 以 "WPGS" 上日本amazon 本可以查到.
現在的yen價不高, 而且我信音質和之前的出入不大. 如果上次有什麼漏了, 今次真是值得一入.
cwyip師兄可以考慮, 這樣就不會被接客接左去了
只是話說上回EMI都賣得不太好, 過了3年都仲有尾貨, 真是要考慮一下.  

cwyip

見到接客有番新Warner sacd Samson Francois 隻孖碟Chopin 夜曲賣450蚊 吾知算不算貴 不知新出的聲音質素有無舊的好

ant9284

cwyip 發表於 2015-6-22 13:31
見到接客有番新Warner sacd Samson Francois 隻孖碟Chopin 夜曲賣450蚊 吾知算不算貴 不知新出的聲音質素有 ...

我估上環或威X會平D, 同價都唔幫接客買
(Post76 Android 手機版送出)

cwyip

ant9284 發表於 2015-6-22 13:52
我估上環或威X會平D, 同價都唔幫接客買
(Post76 Android 手機版送出)

或者去amazon jp訂算 反正有其他日本碟買

kl122002

cwyip 發表於 2015-6-22 13:31
見到接客有番新Warner sacd Samson Francois 隻孖碟Chopin 夜曲賣450蚊 吾知算不算貴 不知新出的聲音質素有 ...

當年入手價是HK$448 , 在10算的年代就差不多了.

我覺得上amazon jp入手會平少少, 特別是現在yen位低左好多.
但都是要計計運費和價值....

tlsk

今晚聽呢隻...

ernietse

I listened this tonight, the 5.0 multichannel recording experience is really different and better than 2.0 stereo

Needless to say, SIR COLIN DAVIS performance of HECTOR BERLIOZ's symphpnie Fantastique is one of the best highly-acknowledged and this 1974 PHILIPS recording is originally recorded with quadraphonic tapes (4-channels recording), so nowadays SACD technology can playback the intended images.


very funny, originally it was conducted by SIR COLIN DAVIS, but the SACD text said BERNARD HAITINK (although i like Bernard with Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra Amsterdam)