請問新線一般要煲幾耐?

aaarcl

剛入咗條 7N4020III 比 LPS 用, 心急想知道要煲幾耐?

請問有冇ching 知道要幾耐?

先謝謝!

koalaau

我對煲線論有保留。
喇叭單元郁得多會鬆，要煲。
機器行順左，暖身後會好點，燈膽都唔係一通電就全亮吖，合理。
但線，用耐左只會氧化，如果會變聲，點解一定係變好？

alpinweissM

就算心急都唔會快咗

koalaau

分享下，我最近焊左對rca線，準備作bi amp用，焊完和另一對一樣的線ab比較，同線，同長度，同頭，同錫，同係我焊，分別係一新一舊，結果，係新線較有活力，但不明顯，我唔排除這些少分別只係心理作用，但就並冇出現煲耐左會好聲的情形。
唔敢話絕對，但至少，有d線係唔使煲的，我用的這條就算冇多對新舊比較，得一對時亦不覺聽耐左有乜分別。
個人經驗，條線開聲係咁就係咁，就算真係有出現煲完好聲左的情形，都唔會係差天共地，好多時只係煲對耳。

aaarcl

多謝koalaau Ching 的經驗分享！

koalaau

aaarcl 發表於 2016-11-17 13:27
多謝koalaau Ching 的經驗分享！

最好自己試多幾條線聽下，我唔排除有d線係煲完會好好多，我就用咁多線都未試過。
講開又講，坊間有d煲線機，話係用極大火力煲線，非我地日日聽幾個鐘能比云云，可能咁樣會有分別呱，但部機好似萬幾。：p

koalaau

科學d睇，煲線後有分別唔係冇可能，線材及插頭氧化後會唔同聲，通常d人話新線聲硬，可能就係日子耐左，氧化後聲音改變都唔奇。
又或者從另一個角度睇，換線通常都係升級，高級線分析力好左，一時間聽覺未適應會覺得硬，習慣後就識欣賞其實係分析力好左。
以上純屬個人觀感。

g25

音响嘅嘢，自我感覺良好咪得囉！

HaiFaiYau@FB

koalaau 發表於 2016-11-17 14:52
科學d睇，煲線後有分別唔係冇可能，線材及插頭氧化後會唔同聲，通常d人話新線聲硬，可能就係日子耐左，氧化 ...

一般較髙級線材…點解甘多人話要煲先穩定好聲（見仁見智…）。但有一點幾可肯定…設計及生產者多以煲后之狀態為較聲取向/標准！

至於點解煲后吾同晒聲…就各有各感受！

a>我買好多新膽返尼…一般開聲都較搶/偏光輝，煲后的確變柔順好多！

b>電容亦有類似情況（有傳vcap未煲前更難以入耳…，當然估計較聲者以煲后為准）

c>好多人煲后效果未必相同…估計煲手法/器材吾同有關！
比如用煲机碟（一般頻率覆蓋20-20k  hz）效果較全面，但吾少人以日常所聽音源尼自然煲…比如大部分都係人聲…頻率集中係中頻，對被煲器材伸延性有一定影響…！


就好似做熱身運動甘…凈係郁下對手（腳…都吾郁），突然叫你去跑/跳…點會有預期效果…

kl122002

在Van Den Hul 中的Cables FAQ 第3 -8, 有講,
http://www.vandenhul.com/faq/gen ... speaker-cables-faqs
而且講得幾搞笑:

3-8 Q: What is the so-called “burning-in” of a cable ?
A: Any cable’s conductors consist of many groups of atoms, clustered in crystals or atom clusters. The borders between
these crystals or clusters are critical zones where electron movements are hindered when the condition of these
boundaries is getting worse. This worsening takes place e.g. when your loudspeaker cable is moved every day and/or
chemical activity is around - latter amplified by higher humidity levels, elevated temperatures and air pollution. Also
imperfections in the cable insulation can trigger conductivity changes.
Burning-in is the effect that, despite any affected crystal borders, the sound quality improves again thanks to electron
movement through conducting zones like so-called electron tunnels. But... when you move a cable again, those tunnels
are “broken” and you then have to start again by playing your music.
You may wonder why (especially) on Sunday evening the music sounds so good again, this after a week with plenty of
sound problems. Your cables finally are burned-in. But as soon as the killing Hoover (vacuum cleaning) hour on Monday
morning comes and the over-active cleaning lady messes about with your cables, the problem returns: your cables are
“burned-out” again, remaining that way until the following Sunday...

Nordost都有講:
http://www.nordost.com/faqs-break-in.php

兩家公司我覺可以總結少少相同地方,
1. cable 要時間burn in
2. burn in 的原理係希望電流順D
3. 一段時間唔用 / 有干擾後會失效

我覺主要係睇用家聽唔聽得出, 有時真係唔易. 因為煲線唔似換機立即轉聲甘明顯.