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[討論] 4K有些少眉目, 下月Sony發行4K BD

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除咗部 blu-ray 機,我所有器材都對應唔到 4K!

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本帖最後由 r32 於 2013-4-10 10:30 編輯

呢幾年不嬲都有部份BD係4k remaster, 技術規格一樣係1080p, 換個包裝啫.

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r32 發表於 2013-4-10 06:45
呢幾年不嬲都有部份BD係4k remaster, 技術規格一樣係1080p, 換過包裝啫.

你又啱唔晒喎, Sony話呢堆"4KBD"係會用盡BD50嘅空間, bitrate會比舊版碟有提升, 可以話係BD版嘅superbit, 所以唔係換個包裝咁簡單.

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期待!
想試下有幾好聲。

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本帖最後由 bo9bo99 於 2013-4-10 08:47 編輯

綽頭野, 算把啦........

http://video.foxjapan.com/blu-ray/4k/lineup.php

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就算這批Sony新BD有料到, 如果唔使用Sony 4k / UHD TV, 當中隱藏嘅訊息係唔會佰份佰釋放

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r32 發表於 2013-4-10 10:26
就算這批Sony新BD有料到, 如果唔使用Sony 4k / UHD TV, 當中隱藏嘅訊息係唔會佰份佰釋放  ...

你係咪諗多咗? 咁睇Avatar 3D係咪一定要Panasonic嘅電視先發揮到最大效果?

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本帖最後由 r32 於 2013-4-10 11:33 編輯
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你係咪諗多咗? 咁睇Avatar 3D係咪一定要Panasonic嘅電視先發揮到最大效果?


無錯, 就算喺現有HD系統播新一批BD, 可能有不錯表現, 但依Sony官方說法, 將會在顏色表現有較佳改善.
Copied from net : "Sony supposedly will add Triluminous Color (formerly known as "Deep Colour") to these discs which additional colour depth will be seen by their new players and may or may not be recognized by current players with Deep Colour capability when set to "auto"."

肥水不流別人田, 大公司如Sony點會死錯人?
Sony推廣full HD > 類4k > 4k 產品自有佢一貫策略.

面對今年4k訊源與TV出現, 呢批碟只是過渡產品........

Sony announces $699 FMP-X1 4K media player and distribution service : http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/ ... stribution-service/

伍仟幾港紙十部4k戲, 抵過而家BD啩.

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本帖最後由 r32 於 2013-4-10 11:57 編輯

延伸閱讀.......http://forums.highdefdigest.com/ ... tv-upscaling-6.html

From the Sony PR in the original article:

"Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Discs can be played on all existing Blu-ray Disc players.

Also
"Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray releases will feature titles...sourced from pristine 4K masters and presented at high-bitrate 1080p resolution, with expanded color showcasing more of the wide range of rich color contained in the original source
No where in the article does it state that they are using 10, 12 or 16-bit or deep color on the dics, and the PR is written in a way that it could apply to any Blu-Ray disc or to the master(ie the 4k MASTER has deep color


- the article no where says that this is going to be superior to current offering of Blu-Ray discs, are reencodes, or anything else.

Here are the FACTS of what has happened:
Sony made a press anouncement.
Sony is using 4k material to make 1080p discs
The movies listed were either filmed in 4k or higher, or were filmed in 2k with a 4k digital intermediary, so the source is 4k, so any Blu-Ray of these films were mastered from a 4k source, regardless of what a sticker might say.
Sony has not stated that these discs are superior to other Blu-Ray discs
Sony has not stated that they are rewriting the Blu-Ray spec.
Sony has not stated that these discs incorporate Deep Color

However, even if it is additional data built into a disc, one of three things need to happen:
1) New televisions need to come out to support this additional data, as it is not being sent in 10, 12 or 16 bit, but is being sent to the television as 8 bit with additional information. I doubt this is being how it is being done.
2) Sony is changing the Blu-Ray specs (meaning the discs would not work at all in older players without a firmware update, meaning discontinued and no-longer supported models would not be able to play the discs, and Sony stated their discs will work with all existing players)
3) Sony is somehow encoding additional data in the 8 bit space, and a simple firmware update would allow players to process the additional information. This really wouldn't be deep color, though, it would be like Dolby Surround where you are mapping surround channels into streo channels. IF and ONLY IF they are doing this, then you would get better color (although it wouldn't be true deep color) and you would maintain backwards compatability with older players. Also, to have space for the additional data, if you were still encoding in the 8 bit space, you would have to throw out a bit of the 8 bit color space. This might not be too noticable to the eye, but in effect, you would have to degrade the picture a bit for legacy users to include additional information for the higher color space.

If Sony is indeed using Triluminos (ie Deep Color), and these discs that are in the Sony PR are going to have this technology, then expect the disc release to coincide with firmware releases from manufactorors.

So, if we hear an announcement of firmware updates from various companies up to, and following, the release of these discs, than I will withdraw my comments. Otherwise, there is nothing that Sony is doing that is not already being done. Period. That is not an opinion, that is a fact. Anyone who states otherwise does not understand Blu-Ray technology.


text by #78, gravis778@ highdefdigest.com
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