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[討論] 唔怪之得Naim既XPS2同555PS有咁大分別啦 >.<"

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 樓主| 發表於 2012-5-9 15:35 | 顯示全部樓層
有時間去威達吸住毒先囉。
PP-HK 發表於 2012-5-9 13:56


雖然你句野得幾個字, 不過估唔到你份人咁毒 , 你叫佢去威達....咪即係叫佢屎快0的

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    哈哈哈!佢毒我唔到....因為我已經約了明天和下星期二試!哈哈!
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    哈哈哈!佢毒我唔到....因為我已經約了明天和下星期二試!哈哈! ...
chuwing 發表於 2012-5-9 17:32


  點試法 ???

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雖然你句野得幾個字, 不過估唔到你份人咁毒  , 你叫佢去威達....咪即係叫佢屎快0的  ...
bbocram 發表於 2012-5-9 15:35


你話我毒? 你睇...你睇....朱老闆自毒啦。

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明天因為要去威達取機順便帶隻CD試聽一兩首歌!星期二是我朋友想換機陪佢試下law!CDX2是我最終目標希望快D達標啦.......財仔快D放水!
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naimnaim兄, 你覺得用左xps後有甚麼地方提升? 同埋提升左幾多個%到? 我去威達聽過兩次, 唔知點解覺得用xp ...
PP-HK 發表於 2012-5-9 09:50



    The power of adding an external PSU means the music and tone are more stabilized than before.  The background is more quieter than before and thus much details can be listened.  The most significant improvement is that the music is more touching and involving.  

Actually,  the performance of any gears in showroom is not up to their normal standard coz there is much interference between the gears and there are many speakers around you.  There will cause much vibrations between the speakers themselves.

However,  I dare to say that the price differential tells you how much improvement are they and don't trust the material that Naim use.  

Cheers,

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明天因為要去威達取機順便帶隻CD試聽一兩首歌!星期二是我朋友想換機陪佢試下law!CDX2是 ...
chuwing 發表於 2012-5-9 18:33


Hi,

CDX2 will not be your ultimate target.  555CD is the ultimate CDP that convince me it is the flagship CDP under Naim.  Remember that CDX2 is a social gear only.  Don't over-estimate its performance too much.  Perhaps, you will satisfy its performance for the time being but as CDX2 along with you longer, you will discover its demerits and ask for a higher grade CDP.

Initially, CDX2/XPS2 is my first source when I started to join Naim.  The middle train is 202/200/HC/NAPSC.  All the gears are placed on two blocks of Fraim with an empty level of Fraim under the CDP.  Unfortunately,  I cannot accomodate CDX2 as my second system even it partnered with XPS2 when you got a chance to listen its elder brother.  I dare to tell you that CDS3 is the most successful CDP under Naim and Naim always takes proud of producing CDS3.  I have to admit that you don't have to imagine the scene and the feeling of vinyl when listening to CDS3.  However, you have to imagine the scene when listening to CDX2/XPS2.  CDS3 lets you listen the ups and downs and the breathing of the singer easily without any hestitation.  The music comes from CDS3 massage your every nervous system time by time.  It brings your soul into what is called "Music World".  

Of course,  source is very material in listening music but the preamp is another critical component in translating the signals from source.  A good and high class preamp will lets you understand what is refinement.  NAP 200 is one of the most musical poweramp under Naim's classic series.  However, 202 is not as musical as I expected whilst 282 is another musical preamp that Naim produced.  However,  there is a trick that you have to note when power the 282.  Personally, I prefer one HC than two if it was partnered with my beloved NAP250.  However,  I prefer with dual HCs when it was partnered with my beloved 150x.  Of course, this combination is my numerous trials over years.  

For your information,  one of my friend come to my home to listen my combo and tells me that he can't imagine the power and the potential of my another pre/power combination namely 122X and 150X.  He owned CD5X/HC/122X/150X/HC and the speakers are ProAC 1sc.  I tried to demo my 122X/150X/HC and drive my Neat Motive One for his listening.  His initial response is that "How come is it?"  "Why is there so much details, the bass and the mid is full of energy and live?"  He can't imagine the performance of the 122X and 150X are so excellent under my home demo.  I told him that source determines everything.  You don't need a very powerful pre/power combination but on the contrary, you do need a reference grade source to feed the following trains.

Later, I swap another source for his listening.  The source is my bedroom system namely "Uniti".  I just connected the speakers cable to the Uniti and then power it on.  The speakers remain the same.  The performance is musical also but the density and the tone is not so solid as before.  He also pointed out that the bass is not so tight as before and it seems the bass was slightly not under control.  Yes,  even the power output of Uniti and the 150X is the same but the source gives adequate signals to the coming gears that the power amp do not need so much current to drive the bass unit.  

This experiment tells me that power amp is the least important gear under the whole system and if you want to upgrade your system, you have to adopt the top-down approach.

NAP250 is one of the power amp that I appreciated much.  The main reason is that it sounds like a valve amp.  Its high current can drive almost 80% of speakers in the market.  It drive the bass very well.

Last but not the least,  Fraim is the last upgrade when you satisfy with your gears.  You whole system will upgrade at least 50% in sonic performace once all of your gears are placed on Fraim.  Remember don't place NAPSC and HC on the same level.  

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意思即 NAPSC and HC 唔好放埋一齊?

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意思即 NAPSC and HC 唔好放埋一齊?
jimmy188 發表於 2012-5-9 20:43


Correct.

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    多謝師兄指教!講解得非常清釋;看完你的文章後我的毒引又加深了!
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ATC SCM20SL;Lightspeed MK-3
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Analysis Plus:Golden Power OVAL x 6條
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