JVC HA-FW10000 炭化振膜耳機速試

tleonard

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-2#post-14593632

After FW10000 was revealed at PortaFes last month, it gets high praise from japanese people. It could be called "Hype-Tsunami" now at Twitter. I search text 'FW10000' at Twitter to check feedbacks. Many likes it a lot. Even some said for about 170K yen, it is still cheap for its SQ. Anyway, the first batch is already out-of stock within about 2-hours. The second batch will be restocked by the late January 2019. Therefore anybody who plans to travel Japan in this Christmas, you can't get JVC HA-FW10000.

每一次 JVC（The Japan Victor Company）推出新嘅『木塞』都係擺上去 jvckenwood.com，不過今次就由 Victor 一手包辦，於是乎就會用咗 victor.jp 個 domain。

想當年我出街好鍾意用 CK100 聽女毒，跟住就俾 W5000 俘虜咗對耳，而 FW10000 就一次過滿足晒兩個願望，睇嚟今次又係開正我嗰瓣。

雖然第一水一早已被搶購一空，要等到一月底先至有第二水，不過我上日亞見到佢哋直送香港都只係一萬一千幾蚊，唔知去唔去馬好呢？

tleonard

孔武有力嘅師兄不費吹灰之力就 KO 咗其中一邊嘅 MMCX 插座，果然係內功深厚嘅武林高手：

http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2133251


人哋鍾意換耳機線，估唔到佢嘅發燒程度已經去到連條線嘅插座都要換埋，大師級人馬嘅招數的確係深不可測，小弟唯有甘拜下風，失敬失敬。

tleonard

Filling88 發表於 2019-1-1 10:25
幾銀到？

港行標價差唔多萬三蚊，現金價唔知幾多，不過訂貨之後都係要等：

https://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=378434
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-10#post-14687496

The shops only has a demo unit and if one likes to buy one then one has to place a deposit. Unit arrives in Jan.

自己訂水貨連運就一萬一千幾，但係就唔知要等幾耐：

https://www.amazon.co.jp/Victor-HA-FW10000-WOODシリーズ-カナル型イヤホン-ハイレゾ音源対応/dp/B07JDL3118

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tleonard

基本上同 RE2000 一樣咁大食，結論係好多 DAP 直推都未必夠力，上埋枱擴之後就簡直係脫胎換骨：

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5982385167?pid=123317747992#123317747992

吃推力。手機直推，聲音和播放器差距很大。完全展現不出實力。 spk播放器的3.5端，音量需要90-100才能正常聽。印像中需要這麼大推力的耳塞不多。而且，感覺也沒展現耳塞實力。如果你是其他播放器，請自行斟酌。

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5982385167?pid=123354690301#123354690301

mirus dac 加 liquid gold amp 系統搭配fww

樓主很喜歡測耳塞的潛力，雖然多數都是只聽一次。
但是就這一次就足以留下難以磨滅的印象。
這種聲音的飛躍和提升，讓人大呼過癮。
印像中k3003，se5way，w60，legend x ，lcdi4，等等都讓我驚喜過。
fww也不例外，解析，聲場，動態，三頻對比播放器都有相當可聞的提升。
這種提升不需要你很認真嚴謹去對比。一耳朵你就會知道，這就是你聽過的fww最強的聲音。
而那些不同的播放器下的表現，雖然也很不同，但忽然就覺得沒啥好寫的了。
我原本指望索六萬搭配耳塞能有這種高度。
但顯然，是我天真了。

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5982385167?pid=123355015662#123355015662

推力太小的播放器，最好放棄。參考spk 單端表現。比如你想手機直推，必須放棄。

http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2131817&page=2#pid32208693

但是很不好推，基本推力小一點的隨身播放器都很難搞定

http://sound.zol.com.cn/705/7055173_all.html

首先要說的是，這款木振膜的旗艦級動圈耳塞並不是一個容易驅動的產品，至少在原線3.5mm單端的驅動情況下，並不能很好的充分驅動這款耳塞，不論在低頻還是聲場的表現上筆者覺得常規的一體式的隨身播放器都很難有優秀的聲音表現，而在台式的一體機這種相比隨身設備而言驅動能力更加充足的設備來說，這款耳塞聲音表現則明顯的有不小的提升。

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-5#post-14642680

FW10000 can be perform full potential once you use portable amp or desktop dac/amp. If you try with a DAP and find that the mid is too thin for your taste, it might mean your DAP has not enough power to drive it well.

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-7#post-14676428

I was considering that the SW01 would sound just fine with the SU-AX01, which I already own. I had similar issues with the FW01 until I purchased the amp and started running them balanced with K2 enabled. Now, I can’t get enough of them.

tleonard

patrick@wong 發表於 2019-1-1 20:57
Very useful information....Interested to have a try on FW10000  again later.....Thx ching!

最眼前一亮嘅係跟機條單端 3.5 線已經好掂，就算 Dream Duet 再加 25K 嘅 U18 都失寵：

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-8#post-14679738

Have lived with my FW10K for a couple of weeks now, during which my U18+dream duet combo found no air time. Demoed the Solaris inbetween and can't imagine any reason to get it.

但係 MMCX 頭嘅話就要用 Eidolic 先至容納得到比較粗嘅線，唔出街的話唔知會唔會用得到 double 嘅 Nano-Platinum Eclipse 呢？

https://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=276577
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=543301401833
https://doublehelixcables.com/product/eidolic-premier-mmcx-connectors-rhodiumtecuteflon/

There is no tapering on the 4.4mm rear hole to maximize the amount of glue (and wire) that can fit inside, for improved reliability.

tleonard

小瑟 發表於 2019-1-2 07:12
行貨會唔會穩陣d??

信興電業嘅服務唔知好唔好，不過我就唔會太擔心 MIJ 嘅水貨，假如係 MIC 就另計。

如果收到之後即時發現有唔妥都可以搵 Amazon.co.jp 嘅英文客服，只要佢哋仲有貨嘅話通常都可以一換一，反而行貨出事嘅話我就唔知間舖頭會點樣處理。

當然買行貨都有好處，附送嘅 Bluetooth 耳機線用唔著（點都唔會夠力推得好 FW10000 啦？）可以放咗佢，或者自用嘅話就可以駁 Final 同埋 Sony 嘅 IEM 都得：

https://www.jvc.com.hk/en/products/su-arx01bt-s300

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點解我會揀水貨呢？雖然所有 FW10000 都係 MIJ，理論上只係包裝之類嘅分別，不過我就比較鍾意 Victor 個品牌咁解，仲有日本公司好多時都係將最好嘅嘢留俾自己人，真係唔知道俾其他國家嘅 JVC 版有無分別。

另外香港無引入 AX01，所以唔想玩單端嘅 AX7 行貨就一定要玩平衡嘅 AX01 水貨，Amazon.co.jp 收嘅運費真係平到無朋友：

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-7#post-14676679

FW10000+SU-AX01 is a nice combo.

至於躍躍欲試 AX01 嘅原因係想體驗 K2 嘅威力：

風再起時﹕今晚又聽到了這把熟悉的聲音
http://www.modelcar.hk/?p=4806
http://www.avmagazine.com/06/K2HD_mastering.html
https://digital.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=27430012
https://digital.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=27434791&page=15

至於 k2hd 碟，那隻物理光碟是沒有任何特別的，只是一般 16/44 redbook 光碟。k2hd 與否是 mastering 的問題。我發覺 k2hd 的 wav/flac 如果用非 JVC 解碼，出來的調音不太討好。但 k2hd 的 wav/flac 如果用 SU-AX7 播放，出來的效果我真的覺得比 sacd 更討好。

https://digital.discuss.com.hk/viewthread.php?tid=27601044

K2 HD 剛剛用oppo 103 Blue Ray Player光纖入JVC SU-AX7試完。同無 K2解碼分别很大。層次分明，控制塲面各種樂器都收緊清楚。原來有K2 有咁大分別。

上去 mora 同埋 e-onkyo 亦都見到唔少 K2HD Processing 嘅升頻『偽』高清音樂檔案，唔知道用 AX01 嘅解碼聽有無分別呢？

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原來 FW10000 同埋音茶楽嘅代工都係飛騨高山嘅 Oak Village，幾百年前嘅江戸時代開始已經有木匠紮根：

https://styleme.pixnet.net/post/215800409

飛驒地區自古就是深受豐富木材恩澤之地

木匠工藝技術之高，還被當成「稅金」進貢、到京都奈良幫忙打造佛寺

https://www.therockymountaingoat.com/2018/11/valemounts-takayama-inn-a-retrospective-40-years-later/

Takayama is a city in Japan’s mountainous Gifu Prefecture. The narrow streets of its Sanmachi Suji historic district are lined with wooden merchants’ houses dating to the Edo Period, along with many small museums. Since that time, Takayama has received UNESCO World Heritage Site status and is a thriving tourism destination.

https://twitter.com/oak_v/status/1065558953843539968
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2126964653990386&id=195216183831919







https://twitter.com/oak_v/status/1072682613431824384
https://twitter.com/FUJIYAAVIC/status/1072802503337492480
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=2155054224514762&id=195216183831919

tleonard

ip_csl 發表於 2019-1-3 09:27
如水貨日後才發現問題,又如何處理?

始終都係講個信字，到咗今時今日都仲係 MIJ 嘅產品喎，好醜都捱到一年啩？

邊度買都係得 12 個月保養，真係咁『好彩』嘅話都無辦法。就算原廠拆開整好咗之後都唔知會唔會變咗走樣法子，本來嘅靚靚外觀可能就係咁先。

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基本上日本人雖然有佢哋排外嘅民族意識，但係處事態度方面都未必見你係 Gaijin 就童子軍跳彈床。

Onkyo 就相當順攤，唔知 Victor 點喇：

送付修理
http://www.victor.jp/contact/send.html

中國香港日本水貨送修方法
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1529768364.A.61C.html

有沒有人有水貨送修經驗的?(日本)
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1470119479.A.6CB.html

日本Bic Camera 維修換新分享
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/Headphone/M.1530664810.A.29B.html

日規Nintendo Switch 送修經驗
https://www.ptt.cc/bbs/NSwitch/M.1497014507.A.41B.html

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個別集運公司都有一條龍服務，不過就當然要經佢哋訂 FW10000 先至得：

家電維修服務
https://tensojapan.jshoppers.com/ch/special.asp?id=repair

如果行貨都一樣係 Victor 品牌嘅話我都唔會搵咁多嘢嚟搞。

tleonard

搵過香港同埋日本嘅網站，暫時只有其中一間聲稱有 5 件 in stock，不過實際上可能已經沽清：

http://kakaku.com/item/K0001099040/
https://www.biccamera.com/bc/item/5973504/
https://www.yamada-denkiweb.com/4217608011
https://www.price.com.hk/product.php?p=378434
https://shop.tsukumo.co.jp/goods/4975769456596
https://www.fujiya-avic.jp/products/detail169073.html
https://www.e-earphone.jp/shopdetail/000000212553/
https://www.edion.com/detail.html?p_cd=00059500759
https://www.letsgoaudio.com/products/jvc-ha-fw10000
https://www.yodobashi.com/product/100000001004129906/
https://www.houjin-kojima.com/product/detail.aspx?sku=18563253
https://product.rakuten.co.jp/product/-/5e47ce737090f80771ffbd6591d535ec/
https://www.dma-audio.com/product/jvc-ha-fw10000-wood-dome-10週年記念版入耳式耳機/
https://www.fortress.com.hk/en/product/ha-fw10000-f-wood-dome-10th-headphone/p/BP_11827169
https://www.headphone.com.hk/product/日本製造-jvc-ha-fw10000-頂級-50μm-超薄樺木振膜單元入耳式耳機/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/Victor-HA-FW10000-WOODシリーズ-カナル型イヤホン-ハイレゾ音源対応/dp/B07JDL3118

唔知 e-earphone 預料嘅 2 月中旬有幾準，但係我就慢慢開始對 Aqua Timber 嘅 HA-WM90-B 產生興趣：

http://www.victor.jp/headphones/on-ear/ha-wm90-b/
http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2112910

tleonard

話咁快就有師兄試過幾條平衡線，似乎銅線嘅 1960s 4-wire 相當夾 FW10000：

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-17#post-14718784

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/victor-ha-fw10000-10th-anniversary-model.891366/page-17#post-14719637

四絞嘅 Dream Duet 已經好勁，假如 MMCX 頭都容納到八絞嘅話就好暴力。

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用 404 推 FW10000：

http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5994082977?pid=123464703642#123464703642

tleonard

肥花有人 post 喎，唔知係咪現貨呢？

https://www.simpee.com/product/jvc-ha-fw10000/